Late primary admission - what happens??(132 Posts)
We're moving down to the Teddington/Hampton area in June. HOORAY!! Its taken a year but DH has finally got himself a job and we can make the move. Completely gutted we've missed the primary admission deadline in January though and starting to panic about whether or not my daughter who is 4 in June will manage to get a reception place for September. Does anyone know what the process is for a late application?
We're thinking that we will rent whatever house we can get that is closest to one of the schools that we like. I have seen a couple of houses up for rent that are 0.07 miles away from one of the potential schools in Hampton (Stanley). How do waiting lists work? If we live closest does that mean that we go up the waiting list even if someone else is already on the waiting list but lives a bit further away?
How do you think I'm best finding out which of the primary schools in the Teddington/Hampton/Hampton Wick area are likely to have more space? If I can find this out, then I suppose the best thing would be to try and get a property next door to the school to try and get her a space.
What happens if she doesn't get a space in one of the local schools? Does anyone have any experience of this? How far out would she have to go and is it always to a school that isn't rated as well?
Sorry lots of questions but panic setting in.
Congrats on your pending move!
I've no idea about late admissions/waiting lists, it's worth speaking to Council directly about this as they will be in the best position to advise. I would also call the various schools you're interested in and have a chat/visit them to see what they are like.
All the primary schools round here are great but massively oversubscribed. I heard rumours that Stanley is may become 5 form entry. Hampton Wick is undergoing a propsed expansion plan to accomodate more children in the future as they are at overspill too. Renting somewhere is a good idea until you know which school you'll get into.
I moved to Teddington in March a couple of years ago, just before my dd started Reception, so I understand how stressful this is. The process, if I remember right, is that you submit an application the moment you have a confirmed tenancy and get your application in. I applied just a couple of weeks before it was confirmed that Collis would have a bulge year, and fortunately I'd moved in just round the corner, so we got a place (and so did children who moved in in the summer). In a non-bulge year, we would have been toast. By June you should know if there is a bulge class being provided somewhere: your best bet would be to rent as close as possible to that school. I think you will come last on the list until all the first applications are dealt with; after that, priority is on distance.
Obviously no-one can guarantee how this will work out for you. Two reasons to be hopeful: one is that Stanley is rumoured to be expanding. it is considered by some to be the least desirable of the Teddington primaries, but I think that is purely and simply because Teddington is stuffed full of excellent primaries and Stanley is a bit more socially mixed than some. In any other part of London, parents would be fighting to get their kids in there - it's a really good school, and everyone I know with children there seems more than happy.
The other thing is that there is always a lot of children who drop out of primary school places over the summer. This is a very affluent area and lots use state school places as back-up for their independent school first choices. The deputy head of Hampton Wick told me that every year they have about 20 children who simply don't turn up in September, and that is when they quickly take in children off the waiting list. So you may have a very anxious summer, but it may all work out in the autumn.
Final tip is to think about what you'll do if you don't get a reception place straight away. The Council told me we would likely be offered a place somewhere in Hampton that was a bit of a nightmare for us to get to (new baby, no car). I researched the options and came across a small private school in Kingston, very alternative, lots of meditation etc, that was very sweet and much much cheaper than usual private schools. It was a tiny school, and I wouldn't have been happy to have kept my dd there for the whole of her schooling (in some year groups they only had a couple of children!) but it would have been a good alternative while we waited on a waiting list for a year or two. I'm not sure I remember the name - Educare? - but if you're interested do PM me and I'll come up with it.
Best of luck. You won't regret moving to Teddington - it's lovely for children.
PS. Other tip is to talk to the deputy head at Hampton Wick, as I did. She handles admissions, and is REALLY helpful and informative.
Thanks so much for your replies, really helpful information. Nice to hear Teddington is such a lovely place for children! I called the Local Authority admissions office and was told that they wouldn't know which school might be taking on more than others until August. We'll need to have a rental property by then so we'll just have to take a bit of a gamble.
I think we're leaning towards Hampton Infants. There seems to be a bit more rental property in that area. I think we have no chance of getting into Collis as there never seems to be any rental properties that come up close enough to the school.
I'm coming down next week for 3 whole child free days (woohoo!) to check out the areas and am visiting Collis, Stanley, Hampton Infants and Carlisle Infants. I haven't arranged an appointment at Hampton Wick as the junior school linked is a catholic school and that's not something for us which is a shame as from what I can see its a lovely school. Again though, not much in the way of rental property coming up near enough. I think I'll make an appointment though and see what its like.
When I was talking to the admissions person at Richmond, she said that I might get offered a place at another school and if I declined it then I wouldnt be able to stay on at the waiting list of my preferred school. How does that work? Can they offer me a place at a school I haven't listed on my application? This would be a big worry. I don't mind waiting a bit longer if need be but I would prefer not to put DD into another school until our preferred school comes up. It seems such an upheaval. The Educare school sounds interesting though. i was thinking that if she doesn't get a reception place, that I would enrol her in the same local nursery as my 2 year old DS until something comes up.
Thanks again so much for the information.
I don't think that is right about the refusal. We moved in year and were not offered the school we wanted for our daughter (then in year 1)... complicated, but we had our eldest at preferred school and couldn't do 2 schools. So we declined and kept her on the waiting list for our preferred school. Admittedly I had to home school her whilst waiting for a place, and she's ended up at a different school anyway (but not the first one offered), but the basics were we were offered a place, declined it and still stayed on waiting list.
But they are not obliged to offer you anothe place once they have offered you one, ie. you can't then complain your child has NO place if you've declined one offer.
Hampton wick is linked to a church of england primary
Collis is also nightmare to get into even when applicant is on time .last year cut off was 705m !!
I spoke to the admissions lady at Hampton Wick today and you're right, she was very helpful! She confirmed that the junior school is non denominational which is good news for us. She also said that they were now a 3 form entry instead of the 2 so even more hope. They don't do tours though but I'm confident enough from what I've heard that it would be a lovely little school.
Can't wait to come down and check it all out. She also thought that if I turned down a place that I can still stay on the waiting lists for my preferred schools since she is only of reception age and not legally obliged to be in education until she is five.
Thanks again for the replies. Where would I be without mumsnet!
Oh, I'm so glad Hampton Wick lady didn't let me down! She's lovely, isn't she? - even advised me on the right pre-school for my very shy and socially inept pre-schooler.
Get yourself down here and repost - we can all have coffee
oooh, might need to phone her back up! I also have a 2 year old DS and am looking for a nursery for him. Any good recommendations? I've got 8 to look at while I'm down! Have high hopes for Grassroots in Hampton and Building Blocks on Fulwell Road. Coffee would be lovely when we all finally make it
I have a friend with a child at Grassroots who absolutely loves it. I hear equally good things about Teddington Day Nursery, which is just behind the High St. I'm afraid I don't know anything about Building Blocks.
There's also some excellent pre-schools: Children's House, Paviliion and Playwam. But there is a long waiting list and you may have missed the boat.
Collis and Hampton Wick both have nursery classes for the year before Reception. Not sure about the other schools.
I think Hampton Wick is amazing, the staff and school are lovely. There's a nice community feel about the school with a lot of attention to each child. I'm surprised they said you can't visit All the kids transfer from Wick to St John's so don't be put off by it's name, there is no religious criteria for admission to SJB.
Although school is expanding, you would need to live v. close to make sure you got in (same as Collis). All the schools on your list are good and have different strengths, you're spoilt for choice! If you're sticking round long enough in the area you would may want to consider which secondary you prefer as these schools you're going to visit feed into different secondaries, so that might also influence your decision.
HW nursery is not expanding currently and is heavily oversubscribed so you might need to keep your options open. My little one is at the Preschool Centre which is great, he loves it and it's 5mins walk from the school so makes drop off v. convenient
Good to hear that vbus. I saw the Preschool Centre online and think I'll try and organise a visit to them as well. I've been hoping for a nursery place for my DS that will be during school holidays as well but then again, I'm not sure if I need that now that my DD will only be in during school term.
I was checking out Hampton Junior which is the one that the outstanding rated Hampton infants feeds into but it only gets a satisfactory rating which has really put me off to be honest. Hampton Hill Junior seems a better junior school with Carlisle Infants being the feeder into that one. So much to think about! Anyway, all shall be clear once I've been down and had a look around. Although I haven't seen Hampton Wick, I'm confident enough from what I've heard that it would be a good school. I'm presuming that SJB is a good junior school?
thanks again for everyone's input.
SJB is rated oustanding per Ofsted. It has a different vibe from Infant school, I have friends with older kids there who like it there, teaching is good. It then links into Teddington school. Again, just phone them up and see if you can visit.
Preschool has a short waiting list, if you're flexible on days (you have to enrol min 2 sessions/wk) then you might get in quicker. Mrs B is great and very much in tune with the kids, it's a home from home. I didn't think I would use it in the holidays as had older one home from school, but I have to say it's been a lifeline for the odd day you need a break or want some quality time with older sibling. At least you have the choice of sending them in if you want to!
Feel free to PM me if you have any specific q's
Hello, we're thinking of moving to Teddington too and saw a property that we really like, but it may probably just miss Collis if the catchment area further shrinks smaller than 705m. If DS can't get into Collis, we may probably also miss Stanley (the property is just over 1 mile away from Stanley and the catchment area for Stanley seems to have shrunk substantially last year). We are not Catholic and thus no hope to get into Sacred Heart, St James etc. If that happened, will we have a chance be offered a school outside Teddington? If we rejected the offer, can we be reserved on the waiting list for both of Collis and Stanley?
You can go on the waiting list of up to 6 schools in the borough . You are placed on the waiting list on order of their over superscription criteria.So you place on the list can move down as well as up.
There is also Hampton Wick Infants outstanding school which is converting to 3 form entry for Sept 2012 and St Mary and St peters also outstanding.
Although secondary a long way off teddington school catchment will reduce as they are likely to approve the use of home to school distance for sept 2013 entry.Worth bearing in mind especially if you are buying not renting.
Stanley is a great school. I do not think that they are expanding further, if you look on their website you will see that there are plans for the new school building and each year group has four classrooms. They moved to four form entry in 2009.
Yes the school is big, but it is incredibly friendly and the head of the infant school pretty much knows all the children by name, I am not kidding you. The school manages its size very well, with differentiated play times for the reception year during their first year. They do for example differentiated year group sports days The only time that you notice the size of the school is at pick up and drop off time.
My very shy DD thrives in this great and caring school and has progressed well so far.
Hello ladies, I'm joining the late admissions crowd for Reception, as we had an offer accepted recently and planning to move to Teddington early June. IF all goes smoothly with the purchase. Fingers crossed.
Closest school is Collis, then Hampton Wick Infants. Stanley is more than 1.5 miles away. How to they measure distance anyway, are they doing walking distance to the closest school gate?
And does anyone know how to actually apply? I wasn't able to find the form to download from the council website. I only found information about the proof of address they require, and it looks like it will have to be proof of completion, which in our case won't be available until May.
Last but not least, I'm not sure if we should submit the application now, or wait at least until valuation and mortgage are done. Or wait until we complete?
The best thing to do is ring the in admissions department directly at the council.
But I do believe you need to have completed and have council tax bill for your new address before they will put you on the waiting list.
welcome to the area.
Thank you, I spoke to them and they'll take proof of completion to put her on the wait list but they did say to call and register closer to the completion date which is June 1 tentative.
tangledtights and cinqueterre, have you secured your move yet?
Perhaps we can all get together for coffee in the summer
Hi there, very interesting reading all of your posts! I moved to Teddington just inside the application cut off, so applied Jan 11th with the notes that I was moving on Feb 2nd (cut off for having to actually move was 13th Feb so literally - by the skin of my teeth).
It was an absolute nightmare to get that far in the space of time I had but we managed it - really pushed for it and provided all the necessary back up to LBRUT. Today letter has come about our place. No offer!
The catchments list shows Collis 658m, HWI 1157m, Stanley 1809m, Carlisle 958m, Trafalgar 2629m
We are literally just outside for Collis, HWI, Stanley and Trafalgar. It's ridiculous.
I realise quite a few people drop out down the line, but what I am wondering is this - will the waiting lists work on a 'first come first served' basis or will people with late applications who live closer be placed before us? The letter says that lots will come available in the next few weeks which would make you think that they will go to the closest of the on-time applicants. Will the schools actually offer places over the next few weeks or will they wait until August so they know who is closest by then?
Also, if you are offered a place at one school, do you automatically come off the lists of the others, is there a window where you can take it up - say for instance Stanley offer a place, but we wanted to hold out for Collis as it is nearer (even though a lot less likely) would we have to turn down the Stanley place straight away and hedge our bets, or would there be a certain timeframe we could wait (say until the beginning of August) to decide whether to take up the offer. Can you get 2 offers at the same time?
Sorry for all the questions! I have been in a complete panic all day - what if we dont get an offer from any - does anyone have any experience of this?! It seems crazy that you can live in central Teddington and not be offered a place at any of the 6 nearest (non religious) primary schools even when you do apply on time. If anyone has been in a similar situation I would be happy to hear from them! I know some neighbours fon the same street who had the same thing happen to them and they were offered HWI right at the last minute.... but was a few years ago and it seems to be getting a lot worse year by year
Hi, sorry to hear about it.
From what I know the wait list works on distance and siblings, not first come first served basis, so yes late applicants can go higher on the list if they are closer to the school than you.
However, those who applied on time get placed on the wait list right away - May 2 is the deadline for accepting/rejecting initial offers after which the wait list is created.
So if you are high up on the wait list AND you get an offer in May or June, accept it and remain on the wait list for the other preferred schools. List is kept at the council until early September after which it goes to the schools.
I know that sacred heart are taking a bulge class but that is probably because catholic places are over subscribed as well.
One of the other community schools will have to take a bulge class I am sure the demand is there lets hope so
Have put all my mummy friends to work at collis to find out if they are taking no word yet
Oh wow, so if I am lucky enough to get offered a place before the summer break then I can accept it (to hold on to it just in case) and also remain on the waiting list for the school I was hoping for until DS starts in September - or later if I find a temporary alternative like was mentioned in earlier post?
I am concerned, does anyone know if you can ask the council to tell how far up/down the list you are for certain schools?
Thanks for the link thats a great help!
It is completely infuriating, we are only 0.4 miles from collis, so I am hopeing we are relatively close to the top of the list but we'll just have to see what we get offered.
I think this has hapened the last few years and a lot of people down our road were offered Hampton Wick Infants at the last minute. I would be happy to send our son there but Collis would be so much closer and as I dont drive that is a major factor for us!
You can ask the council from 2 may that's when waiting list begins.
I think we should apply pressure on the council so they add an extra bulge class in community school
Collis had a bulge class in 2010/2011, right? Perhaps it is a good idea to pressure for a community bulge class... I'm all in.
HWick Infant already has a bulge class for 2012/2013 I believe, and so does Sacred Heart (catholic).
I fund this thread as well, apparently Sacred heart took on children who are not catholic because of the bulge class:
Don't forget a bulge class already at the school means more siblings....
Just wanted to say that Stanley is not going to become five form entry. Stanley is a fabulous school, with a head teacher who knows every single one of her pupil's names ( at infant level). Yes they are large, but they do it so very well, my child who was shy and very very nervous of large numbers of pupils absolutely thrives there. It is a great mix of people from a number of backgrounds, which in my view means that pupils will get a more balanced view of what the world is like. If Stanley is one of the least desirable schools in this area then those who consider it to be so have obviously not had a lot to do with the school.
In addition new school buildings are currently being put up to accommodate the growing numbers attending this school.
It is such a great school.
Good luck with getting a place.
From what I gather HWI has added an extra class this year (as was planned) and Stanley already has 4 classes which is a lot. I dont know what sort of class room space the schools have spare but I agree about bulge class.
It will be interesting when I can finally speak to the council and get some answers about how many applied for each and how many people there are like me who received 'no offer'. It might help to gage how likely we are to get offers at the different schools.
From what I gather they say this because they cannot place your child at a school within 5 miles! Thank goodness they didnt offer us a school 4.75miles away. What a nightmare.
The next two weeks is going to feel like an eternity... We should rally together against the council - surely they have to do something. There must be so may people in the same boat as me.
Yes thanks for that, I agree that Stanley is a great school and should not have a bulge class this year.
I am going to keep trying to get through to the council and get a bit more info, especially about numbers, if there are many 30+ pupils who have applied to the local schools and couldn't be placed at all, do you think that means that they have to form some sort of a bulge class? Will that only be decided right at the end of the summer when they feel confident in numbers?
Mind you if Hampton Wick have 20 who just dont turn up to the first day in September... how can anyone judge what the likley numbers will be at that time.
It just feels like a bit of a lottery - i.e. no control over the situation. Hopefully we will work something out.
Does anyone know how the council contact you if you get offered a late place? Should we be checking for letters or would they send an email too? Or even call you?
I know that 250 kids have no offer
I also think that sacred heart bulge class offers may have already been made as I know people who put it as 5th choice and got it
However if this is not the case and the school is undersubscribed all the more reason for putting the bulge in collis .i also went to a meeting where the head of education for Richmond said there was not a demand for catholic places in Teddington which is why hampton wick was expanded .
No offence to anyone going to sacred heart but it is about responding to what people want and that is community not faith places
Also regarding collis waiting list I don't think it will move sob sob as I know at least 8 people non sibling who got there kids in and there is No way they would give up their places
i have now set up a Facebook group to try to pressure the council to provide more community school places in teddington
Sympathy to those of you in this position, but just wanted to let you know that in my experience, waiting lists do move alot. Three years ago, we were on the waiting list for Collis, fairly near the top admittedly, but that year I seem to recall that families pretty far down the list (12th ish at May time) eventually got in for the September start, although some only finding out literally days before. The council will definitely be able to tell you where you are on the lists and you can accept a place, but still stay on a list for a preferred school.
Of course the movement of lists will vary year on year, but there are usually always some going private who will have applied for places just in case, and in my experience, there is always a big turnaround in Teddington - families moving in and out and that will include those taking the sibling places - people will apply even if they know they are planning to move: Three people in our reception class moved away due to job changes/going abroad etc by the end of the first year and that's not unusual. I know this is far from ideal and really hope it sorts out for you all.
Great sympathy from me too; it is hugely stressful. But don't panic. As I think I wrote upthread, there is quite a lot of movement on the waiting lists over the summer, and yes you can stay on waiting lists even if you accept a place elsewhere. I was lucky enough to benefit from the Collis bulge year, but I have friends who didn't get a place last year but moved up the waiting list very quickly.
There is obviously a long-term problem here that can't be solved for ever for bunging on bulge classes, though
To those that have no school place this year, contact Children Without Choice on Facebook. Theirs is a well organised, pre existing campaign from last year.
Re waiting lists, you can waitlist for any school you like, and you can go up or down a list.
Stanley is a fab school. My son is in reception and is flourishing. Very active PTA - great way to meet people if you are new to area. Was named Primary Sports School of the Year this year. Also great academically with outstanding results at KS2 sats.
Waitlist turnover quite good. The Royal Roads much better value housing wise than nearer central Tedd.
I agree that Stanley is a fabulous school. Strangely, it is sometimes talked about in Teddington as though it is the least good of the options, yet its results hold up against any of the others and it has the least affluent demographic. Which possibly makes it the best school of the lot. Certainly, in most parts of London it would be the school that parents were clawing over each other to get their child into. We are just blessed here with having NO bad schools (hence the house prices ).
Devora, it might be simply 'Ofsted snobbery'.
I, for one, moved for Teddington because of the good schools and I'm happy if we get a place in any of them.
Stanley is just not as convenient for us because of distance but that might be offset by their wraparound care options so I'd still be happy if we get in.
Let's all hope a bulge class is created somewhere. I can't wait to be able to get on that wait list!
I would suggest all those parents who were offered sacred heart school but do not want to take up the place due to it being a catholic school to contact Mathew Paul the head of schools commissioning for the borough email@example.com
He may then be forced to add additional places in community school as well
Hot of the press Hampton infant are taking bulge class
Wow, just shocked at the tight catchments. Particularly Hampton Infants . Just out of interest though, if Hampton Infants are adding a bulge class, where will the extra children go? From my visit, the school looked a bit pushed for space already?
At hampton wick they put portable classroom in playground .thats is what is likley to happen.
Wow thanks for all the support / info! I will be checking out the facebook pages.
The council finally called me back this morning. Distance from Collis as measured by them is 1004m so quite a way off 658m! But we are further away on the others, so we are just going to hang on in there on all the lists.
They have said the lists will be released 8th May, and unfortunately those who have not sent their replies in by then must be chased by the council until they get answers. So presumably the lists as they are at 8th May will change quite a lot over the rest of May / June.
The problem with Collis being 56 siblings this year means that only 34 new family places were available and therefore I think we will be very far down the list.
I agree playgroup, I dont think there will be many of those 34 who'd give up their places and if you allow for those who you know that brings the figure down to 26!
I think with Hampton Wick permanant expansion this year, and Stanley already at 4 classes Collis is realistically the only community school where a bulge would make sense if there are still lots of families left out in the cold by September.
I have the same issue as londoniana, I think Stanley is a great school, but Collis is closer so makes more sense. If we get Stanley offer we definitely wont be turning it down, However I think we would definietly stay on the list for Collis and Hampton Wick just in case.
You never know. I did ask the council about possibility of a community bulge class, they said that there are 167 children in the borough with 'no offer'. They will be keeping a close eye on the situation as places are finalised over the coming months and it is something the powers that be would look at should it be the best option.
They also recommended thinking about Sacred Heart as it is very close to Collis, but again we are not religious so would this be a sensibile option for us?
@LucyCamille: thank you very much for the information! Hopefully everyone who reads this thread and has info will post updates from time to time.
Why was the difference in distance that significant, and not in your favor? How are they measuring it, and how did you measure it?
@Devora: I read that your child was admitted at Collis in a bulge year a couple of years ago, was that a portable classroom in the playground as well? I was under the impression that they had more classroom space?!
Sacred Heart is very close to us as well, but I'm not sure about a Catholic school, we're Christian but not really Church goers
Hi just read some of this. I am a Collis parent. Collis squeezed a bulge class in a couple of years ago (now year 1) but it is a very tight squeeze in their infant building to have 120 in each year and the new junior block has only 3 classrooms in each year grouping. They were told the last bulge class was a one off because St Mary's and St Peter's and Hampton Wick were both expanding to 3 forms of entry but clearly it is still not enough! There are now a couple of quite upmarket portacabins on the cricket pitch, intended partly to accommodate the bulge class when it gets to juniors, so I expect they could manage one more. But it's probably deemed to be Sacred Heart's turn as they haven't taken a bulge class for a long time.
LucyCamille, I understand not wanting to use a faith school - and Sacred Heart is VERY RC - but in its defence it does seem a lovely little school. I know a couple of parents there and they are thrilled with it. Interestingly, it also seems more racially mixed than most of the Teddington schools, which I'm quite envious of.
These things are very personal, but if I were you it would definitely be an option worth considering very seriously. At least while you sit on the Collis waiting list.
londoniana, as Lottie says my dd was squeezed into the existing infants block but they do seem rather squashed up in there. I have to say Collis knows its stuff and I think they managed taking 120 children into Reception extremely well, but this desperate banging on bulge classes here and there every year is not ideal for anyone.
I think it doesnt help that there isn't some sort of link to a map which corresponds with the software which the council uses to determine distance. I belive other LEA's do offer this on their websites.
I found a website which would calculate the distance between two UK postcodes and gives two results one as the crow flies and the other using land transport, neither of which are accurate according to footpaths, or in regards to school gates. You are given the option to select either km or miles.
The measurement given to me by LBRuT has been explained as the walking distance in meters from the point of our address as determined by Ordinance Survey to the nearest School Gate, this 'walking distance' follows the centre of the road - i.e. where the cars are, and does not follow the pavement.
According to the two measurements I had gained from the aforementioned website, the distance I was given by LBRuT was somewhere in-between - closer to 'as the crow flies'. Though I am perplexed by the figure they gave for HWI though as the measurements I had were way less so I am going to investigate that one further.
I also think the Ofsted website does not help in the way that the schools are listed in miles as the crow flies but I guess this is a national website and all LEA's operate different measuring systems.
Sacred Heart is a lovely school and we will definietly be considering it as an option, even though we are not religious in any way. I think we just have to hang on in there and see what happens. Not ideal to say the least!
Thank you for the info on Collis, it helps to try and get a feel for what they - along with the other schools - are experiencing. It [having to take on bulge classes] seems a very unfair predicament for all the primaries to be put under, and shows a distinct lack of foresight by Richmond Council, which in turn does not bode well for future Secondary School applications! Especially considering the ongoing moves to remove the primary links, and the ever growing Teddington area population increase...
LucyCamille - I'm not sure if you have any other, younger, children but one thing to be cautious of is that Sacred Heart do not currently give priority to siblings of non-Catholics over any Catholic applicant. It's something that anyone accepting a place there needs to be aware of, as otherwise they may well face going through this stress yet again in a couple of years' time.
LucyCamille, try the ordnance map, they have footpaths as well. Use the entire address, not only post codes.
Regarding distances, I believe it all depends which school gate is closer to you. For us, the Cromwell rd is the closest in the case of Collis (450m or less, it will be interesting to find out what LEA says). For Hampton wick and the other community schools I've no idea where the gates are located, I only know where main gates are.
It all feels like a lottery at this point. To top it up, solicitors are moving very slow and I'm now afraid we won't be able to complete on June 1
Hi, I have in a similar position to lots of you except multiplied by 2 I have twin boys and have been offered no place at any school in Teddington, I live near the lock and as far as I can see I am not in the catchment for any school. I have tried leaving messages but no-one calls me back I have however got my councillor to talk to admissions (he did manage to get through) and all they would confirm was that the boys would not be split up and I may get a place for them at Stanley...fine but too far to walk!
Do you mean you're around Ferry Road or Twickenham Road, Kass? Are you really too far from Collis? I know people at the top of Kingston Road who didn't get a place at first last year, but did on the waiting list.
I am in Ferry road opposite Tide end cottage pub - several children in the road go to Collis but don't think I have a chance based on my measurements :-( would be happy with any school that is walking distance as I have a daughter as well about to start nursery at Asquith and I am going back to work and have to commute to London..all so stressful as I can't make any plans for wrap around care.
the best person to speak to is Mathew Paul head of schools commissioning in the borough.you can get him on email
he needs to put more community places in teddington the more pressure we put on him the better
Hi Kass, I think based on distance you are pretty similar to me, maybe a little closer depending on the routes they have worked out for you? We are on Cambridge Road, a bit before Manor Road.
On the plus side you are closer to HWI than us and from what staff at the school have said they regularly have 20 places which come available at the start of term? Walking-wise, that would probably be a better choice for you than stanley, but its the other direction to Asquith?
Thanks Littlemiss, no little ones yet but hope of one on the horizon soon so definietly something to bear in mind.
We'll just have to see where we are on the list on the 8th, maybe they will be able to judge at that point whether there will be a need for a bulge class somewhere - they have added one at Hampton Infants already, my friend has been offered one of the places.
Londoniana you are going to be very close when you move and will go straight in at the top of the list! Its a shame you might not be in before 1st June but the lists are managed by the Council until September anyway so I would have thought if a place comes available you will get it straight away.
Stanley is not too bad a choice for us because a certain grandmother has been a great help since I went back to work and she lives not far from there, we'll just have to see how things pan out over the next few months. Based on the area between us (Kass) and the last place given, I think there will be a fair few above us on the list! If you get offered a place at Stanley accept and hang on in there on Collis - it can't hurt and you never know what might happen (no matter how unlikely)
Has anyone had any further news on the situation yet? Getting really nervous now and worrying that we will have a very long, anxious summer! Is it likely that the LEA will put pressure on Collis to accept a further class at this late stage?
Apparently some of the church schools are expecting their waiting lists at the end of this week.
The waiting list are not released until 8 may as apparently they have to contact everyone who has not responded due to every child matters agenda. .
I would suggest you contact Mathew Paul via email if you have not done already regarding community bulge class.
just heard they have added a bulge at east sheen primary
I find in infuriating that parents who have not responded by the deadline are contacted directly, effectively in priority over parents like myself who have not got either of my children into any school never mind preferences despite filling in the forms on time and picking the 5 closest schools to me! if they didn't respond by the deadline then they should go onto the waiting lists as I have to! Probably unfair but this waiting is taking its toll I need to organise wrap around care for the boys on the days I work and a nursery for my baby daughter as I return to work from maternity leave in August - I can't do any of that until I know where my boys will get sent
Admissions also said they do not receive the data from the pan London website until tomorrow and i guess only then will they know what the situation is.
I know i agree no response no place but it is for child protection reasons .
that's awful kass, how stressful.
We are hopefully about to finalise a rental property in hampton wick. I can't get through to admissions. Does anyone know what proof we need to go on the waiting list and do we need to be actually living in the property to go on the list? Unsure whether or not to move earlier than we had planned if that's what we need to do.
tangledtights, I managed to get in touch with admissions mostly via email. They are slow to respond. If you give me your email address I will send you the admission form they sent me to fill out, and also what they said to me.
Essentially, they want the admission form completed and a proof of your move - either tenancy agreement or contract of sale. In our case, because we already applied for a reception place in Ealing where we live, I have to contact both councils.
They said they will only take into consideration the date you are actually moving into the property, that's when you go on the wait list. In our case we get the keys on 25 May (that is the date on the contract of sale) and move on 1 June, so they said they will place us on the wait list on 1 June. I believe a week or two different is unimportant, but they probably want to make sure you don't get the place say in June and only move in September, or something like that.
hi londonania, thanks very much. That would be great if you could email me the form. I guess they're a bit inundated at the moment. I shall try and PM you!
By the time we get the paperwork sorted out, it'll probably be mid May and then planning on moving down the last week of May. I wonder if we will need to have a council tax bill as evidence as well or if the lease agreement will be enough? Maybe I should try and sort that out in time as well. Fingers crossed for all of us!
londonania, are you set up to receive PM's? I think I am. Could you try sending one to me as I can't send one to you. Doesn't take much to confuse me!
I don't know
Here's the link to the application form:
They don't need council tax bill - tenancy agreement is fine. (I asked about that because we were considering renting if our purchase didn't go through for whatever reason).
These are excerpts from the email I received:
"I am not able to determine at this stage, which school you have the best chance of getting into as our wait lists will not be ready until after the 8th May. Please note that we will not be able to consider offering a school place until you are physically resident in your new home."
Just spoken to a lovely lady in admissions however she informed me that the waiting lists would probably not be available until towards the end of next week as they are only half way through preparing them today.
You must be really stressed out . Hope you get good news soon.
So just called admissions and the waiting list will not be available until Thursday 10th. More waiting...
Hi, so today's the day the waiting lists are compiled? Does anyone know if these are made public or is it only for those who are on it. Good luck to everyone.
Hi, I am new to this site.
We live 740 metres from Collis, offered no place at any local school! Anyway we called admissions 2 days back and were told we are number 20 on Collis list, 25 Hampton Wick.
Hey Teddersmum, I hope that's enough for you to get in with the movement over summer. You're so close, its really unbelievable. Out of interest, how far away are you from HWI as that is the school we are hoping to get into? We've already got a rental property sorted but I still don't know how far the official measurement is. Good luck and here's hoping there's a mass exodus over summer.
Tangled, my understanding is that you need to call to find out your waiting list status, I have tried a few times this morning and straight to voicemail. Am interested if anyone without a school place (which is the position we are in for DS) has received an offer in the second round??
Just had my positions on the list Collis which is my closest school 45/46, hampton wick 17/18 and stanley 19/20.....not looking good it is going to be a long summer now considering trafalgar which is literally miles away! and in answer to lizzylu no offer for any school at all still not second offer ;-(
We are around 2000 metres from Hampton Wick.
Still no offer of any school been offered to us, seems to me like a Collis needs to take a bulge class.
It's such a horrible unsettled feeling all this waiting
total nightmare they must know now whether there will be movement on the list or not due to number of declines.
what do they think people are going to do go private? i guess that what they must be hoping.
we just have to keep badgering Mathew Paul
cut offs 2012 were
HWI 1157 unbelievable since they are taking 30 extra children and last years was 1011 with 60 bulge class was offered after 1st round
Did anyone ask how many children are currently with no school place in Teddington?
I believe in Richmond-upon-Thames there were 160 in total or something like that, at the initial allocation stage.
p.s. the anxiety is killing me. we're not even on the wait list yet.
tangledtights, did you manage to register on the wait list?
I asked about extra bulge class in Teddington and they said they were waiting for people who would go private and didn't think there would be one but were waiting until later on before making final decision.
hey londoniana, nope I'm also not even on the list yet. We move in on the 28th. Feel a bit sick about it all really. I'm going to send my application in though with our move date on it and register online for council tax with that date as well and hopefully they'll put us on the wait list from then.
I just don't know though if most of the movement will be in the next couple of weeks in which case we'll miss out and really will be waiting on people to give up their place who are unlikely to. We're all in the same boat though.
That is ridiculous as they will not know until September whether these children will go private as they will just show not show up at school that is leaving things a bit late.
Well they didn't rule it out so that means there is a bit of hope
Also most people who have decided to go private why would they bother applying for a state place anyway .You have to pay a deposit and then half term fees in advance why waste that money if you are going to go state ? I guess just in case ??
The thing is in this economic climate, people who would normally go private and opting for state. I think the council are in for a shock.
Have been trying to call admissions again all day, and it is straight to answer phone...helpful!!!
They could send a letter in June or July to parents who accepted a school place, and say something like - 'there is no need to do anything if you are keeping the place offered, your place is secure etc. but please do let us know promptly if you do not intend to take it'.
How many can be in that situation? 5% in each school? That would be about 15 kids in Teddington who would get allocated a community place.
The other thing that seems a bit odd to me is this: Sacred Heart got allocated a bulge class and in that extra class some non-Catholic children were allocated places just because there was no other Teddington alternative for them. And from what I understand even some kids from other areas (Hampton) got in that class. Sacred Heart is a good school from what I know, but still it's a Catholic school, and some parents might not be comfortable with the idea. Not sure about the rationale of adding the bulge class there when clearly the demand is for community school places...
Hmmm could be making the Catholic Primary schools bigger, so more demand for the catholic secondary in twickenham? I am just speculating.
I can't see who else has the space for a bulge class apart from Collis? HWI has already expanded this year.
I have contacted Mathew Paul in that respect regarding the options for secular parents/non catholic parents in the area and the fact that he stated that a decision was made to expand HWI was due to the demand for community places Oct 2011.(As SJB is a church school also)
His response was that Collis already has an extra class in 2010 and to take an additional class in the same key stage would mean additional permanent resources
But I am sure Collis will be asked to expand for next year anyway due to the demand so they will be getting more resources for that anyway as there are no plans for any free schoole etc in teddington .
Also with Sandy lane and Gabriella Park Gardens completed where will all these children go situation only going To get worse and lets not start talking about secondary
Has anybody managed to get through to admissions yet? I just keep on getting message saying that the lists will be ready on the 10th (yesterday)
As if it's not bad enough that they don't have any school place to offer, and now they just ignore calls.
I have got through but you have to leave a message and then they return your call.....some days later in my experience!!!
So the admissions number STILL going to answer machine. I just called St Marys and St. Peters, and the very nice lady I spoke to informed me all the systems at Richmond admissions are down, and it will now be end of the week for the lists.
On another note, I bumped into a lady who lives in the next rd to us who had the same schools nightmare last year, ie offered diddly. They chose to go private, but when the council finally made an offer, in July, they offered a school called Heathfield near hounslow!
Just wondered if anyone who hasn't got a place has appealed. I have checked it out and looks like for the past 2 years no appeal has been upheld. And not sure on what grounds I would appeal as the admission criteria has been upheld I am just too far from any school?
We thought about appealing, but against what? Really no point.
We figured it would do more good to keep banging on at admissions to add a community bulge class.
Anyone heard anything or seen any movement in lists I was asked to leave it three weeks before calling again and that was nearly two weeks ago and itching to know if there is any progress?
Collis has moved by 1 place !!!!
From reading this thread it appears there are 4 people (without including those about to join the area) without a school currently playgroup, teddersmum, Luciecamille and natalie with my two that is 6 children and that is only contributing to this thread. I was thinking of contacting the local paper to see if that would help put pressure to put a bulge class on as my counciller is not replying to my emails, neither is MP and admissions just keep saying wait however the positions I have on waiting lists mean this seems futile! So is anyone prepared to be named/quoted if the paper is interested if so drop me a direct email and does anyone have further figures on numbers in Teddington?
We are also moving to Teddington next week, and Collis is our closest school. The council told me that they would add us to the wait list on our move-in date which is the 31st of May. We gave up our school place in Ealing.
And from what I know, tangledtights is also moving next week somewhere close to Hampton Wick Infant.
So two more children without a place...
Hi, So we have finally been offered a place at Stanley (which was not on our list) we will probably except and then wait it out on our preferred schools lists.
Teddersmum You said earlier maybe a bulge class had been added by council to try and drive demand for the proposed seconday Catholic school in Twick town centre.
Actually the reality is even more silly than that.
The council announced recently it is going to put a Catholic primary on the same site as the proposed Catholic 2ndry! Even though demand is way mostly for community places.
I have been really shocked at the actions of our council in
1) the rubbish way it has dealt with shortage of primary places and
2) It seems to care only about Catholic families and no 0ne else.
.....of course its just a complete coincidence that Leader of Council is catholic and his wife leads a Catholic Charity!! ?? Shocking.
This council should be featured in the National press and 'Private Eye's "Rotten Boroughs" section as it is letting a lot of its people down very badly.
Kass 44 - who are your local councillors in Teddington? They should be your first source of help in getting some answers so very bad if they are not responding.
Agree with Two Cotbeds about the odd way a bulge class has been added to a Catholic primary school and they are now soliciting people without places trying to persuade them to rediscover their Catholic heritage! I think the reality is that there was nowhere else they could put it this year as they had promised all the other schools in Teddington that they wouldn't have to take one again.
It does mean it is totally ridiculous to build a new Catholic Primary School in centre of Twickenham, when it is a huge shortage of Commnuity places that is causing all the problems in the Borough.
Also apparantly the Scacred Heart Website says something about them having free spaces in years 1 to 5 !! and please contact them if interested !
Can't imagine any of the community primary schools being able to say anything like that for a long long , long time if ever.
Pleased to say both boys have been offered places at Stanley :-) we will stay on waiting list for closer schools but feeling very relieved!
Hi all, and congrats with those who were allocated a school place! Is anyone else still waiting to be offered a school place? natalies0301, LucyCamille, tangledtights, did you get a place?
The council has finally accepted our registration when we moved in last Friday but we were advised to call back for wait list positions on Monday.
hey londonania, sorry for slow response. No broadband since we've moved and I'd forgotten how much time a newborn takes up! We're all moved down and living in Hampton Wick. I sent our application off two weeks ago and provided proof of address last week when asked for it.
They haven't said when I'll be told our positions but I've just emailed the lady in admissions who requested proof of address to find out when I can expect an answer.
Good luck today, hope you're high up on the lists
@tangledtights, I'm glad that everything is in place for you.
I called this morning but they haven't processed the past couple of week wait list changes, apparently they're understaffed. No school offers were made in June, not yet. I believe all Teddington reception-age children who registered before mid-May were offered places, so it's just us newcomers to the area left to wait (together with those who already have a place but are not happy with it).
I was advised to call back on Wednesday for wait list positions.
I heard back from admissions and they said I should get back in touch on friday. I have a feeling it will probably drag on into the following week. Do you know if no places have been offered in june simply because they're understaffed or is it because there have been none to offer?
I believe it's both understaffing and no places available yet. All offers so far were made before the Jubilee weekend. I asked whether there were many children in our situation - new to the area, no place yet - and she said 'not really'.
Perhaps it's worth checking with the admission team today. I got out wait list positions via email. We're 2nd on both Collis and Hampton Wick and 23rd on Stanley. I'm guessing you are the 1st on Hampton Wick (or will be offered a place directly) you must be closer than us
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oops, that's a lot of fingers crossed
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Hi, Just wondering how everybody got on in the end? Those of you new to the area, have you been offered a place yet?
We don't have a place yet. I emailed the council yesterday for an update but I haven't heard back from them yet. It's so frustrating, we can't make any plans for wraparound care.
How frustrating for you, do you know what numbers you are on waiting lists at least?
Our neighbour told me last week, that her PTA friend at Collis seems to think they will be taking an emergency bulge class. Don't know how much truth is in it, have tried calling council, but answer machine message again.
Two weeks ago we were 2nd on both Collis and H Wick and twenty-something on Stanley.
Bad news. Just called them and we're now 3rd on Collis - there is a "special case" at the top of the list and another family who live closer to the school than we are. And we are 8th on Hampton wick that's 6 position down in two weeks, not sure how that one happened, probably they processed new late applications. And 20th on Stanley...
I asked about a bulge class and looks like there is no talk of that at this stage. And the lady I spoke with told me there haven't made any offers in June and probably won't be making any offers until late July.
londoniana, really feel for you on this. really hope you get a place.
Some news positive I did hear that some of the schools are going full time from september/October half term which should help with the child are issue.so far it is st Mary and st peters .
Bad new I know Collis cats is full but they only have a few places anyway
Hampton wick sessional care 12-3 is full be they may have before school and breakfast still available
The school meetings are this week so will post more info when get it
The school reception meeting are this month for HWI and Collis .Stanley early in July I belive.there should be more movement then as the schools have to call everyone who does not attend these meeting to see if they still want the place
Does anyone know why only Richmond does this 'part-time' first term for reception? Do they really think most kids have been at home with mum all day until they start school? My kids have been at nursery since 4/5months old so are well used to being away from me for the whole day. All sounds very 1950's if you ask me! I did ask this question at one fo the school open days and the response I got was a defensive 'but all Richmond schools do it' . So there you go...!
It's not only Richmond, there are other boroughs (some schools in Kingston, for example). I believe the simple answer is 'because they can'.
A friend of mine was given the option of starting in January just because her son is August-born. But that was an option.
Perhaps if people start requesting it, they will consider changing the situation... I'm all for it.
ps. I forgot something: I read some news recently but can't remember where: looks like for next year, government school funding will be based on October 2012 pupil count rather than on January 2013 pupil count, as it was until now. So this might force some schools to rethink their staggered admissions policies.
Think I'll get a job as reception school teacher. Part time for the entire first term with full time pay. Nice work if you can get it ! By the way Londoniana your movement down the HWI waitlist sounds odd as we are 10th and it hasn't moved for 2 weeks and only up 1 place in the last month...!
Yes I know... The council contacted me about it - it was a distance measurement error, we're actually 3rd on the HW list so down only one position.
Any updates re the wait list, anyone?
I spoke with HWick, Collis and Sacred Heart admissions and it looks like everybody showed up at the reception school meetings so there are no new places to be offered for now. We might have to wait until September to get a place, any place...
Also, a local parent told me that last week there were still about 30 children with no school place in the borough, and about half of those were on the Middx side.
That information is to be found in the Richmond admissions forum June meeting .I think it is 30 kids unplaced from the on time admissions and there are also the late applicant as well .So it is over 30 kids.
Well they have 3 weeks till schools break up so we will see if they do anything drastic .
Just read the minutes from admissions website, and they sound confident that they will find places for all the unplaced children. Getting very close to end of term though, lets hope they don't leave parents stewing all summer
Hi, My hubby just been chatting to one of the Collis governors, who confirmed that there will be no bulge class.
Hi, we've just received an offer for Sacred Heart, which we accepted just in case - as we can't go private or commute too far. We'll stay on the wait list for Collis and H Wick - currently 2nd and 3rd on these so fingers crossed for a place by the end of the summer!
Good luck to all those still unplaced or waiting for other choices!
That's great londoniana! It's a good school. What a relief to have a place and sounds like it isn't too far from where you are
Thanks. It does seem like a good school although I'm still not sure about it being Roman-Catholic.
We've just dropped our H. Wick wait list place (we were 4th as of yesterday). I signed up with a wraparound care provider who does pick-ups from both Sacred Heart and Collis. Even if we change schools during Reception we at least have some continuity with afterschool. Not ideal but we're 2nd on Collis wait list so we have good chances to get in - hopefully sooner rather than later
I was interested in Sacred Heart after hearing they are under subscribed (don't know if that is true as I live on the other side of town) and the results at L4 and L5 are pretty impressive. DS is going to school next year (either SMSP or Stanley) and I am going to be happy as Larry with either of them (we moved from quite a troubled area where our local school option was well under average), but the results are nowhere near as good as they are at Sacred Heart. I'd be delighted with it. I really get the worry over the RC thing as my parents weren't religious either, but I went to quite a full on RC primary and secondary (for 'good school' rather than faith reasons) and although the faith element was very present, kids kind of took what they wanted from it and to varying degrees, as did parents (some very much into the faith aspect, some not so much). You may also be able to opt out of some of it, and ensure your child is exposed to the minimum. It could really work out. Good luck with Collis though. Sounds like a good chance of getting in
Everyone, for info, the council's 2012 Admission's report is now available on their website. It contains details the outcomes (to date) of the boroughs admissions processes for the Reception and Year 7 intakes for the 2012/2013 school year.
Looks live everyone got a school place by now.
Any news, everyone?
We will also be registering as a late admission and I wondered wht happened in this situation - did you get a place at your chosen school?
Everybody got places In the borough but not necessarily at a school of their choice.
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