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Did you give birth in RAEI?

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Bellared Tue 17-Nov-09 22:14:15

What was your experience of it if you did?

gemmac1 Wed 18-Nov-09 08:17:43

Hi Bellared, I gave birth there in August. I couldnt fault the delivery side of it. The staff were absolutely fantastic. My midwife was with me throught the whole thing and made me feel really at ease and relaxed, however it was a completly different story once I was on the ward!!!

Have you given birth there too?

alkar Wed 18-Nov-09 10:52:03

Agree with Gemma. Midwife who was with me in labour was fab but on the ward - not so good!

I work at RAEI but no special treatment wink

gemmac1 Wed 18-Nov-09 12:14:07

As soon as I got moved to the ward i was just left to it, wasnt even shown where the toilet etc was. I also asked the midwifes/nurses for help breastfeeding onm several occasions only to be told they were too busy. I also asked somebody to show me how to bath my dd as I had never had any experience with babies, the nurses reply was " Well you had better learn hadnt you".

The way in which I was treated on the ward was awful and I spent the whole night in tears.

BethAndHerBrood Wed 18-Nov-09 12:43:51

I had DS2 there, elective section. Delivery was ok, they whisked him away and left him under a lamp thing on his own, which worried me. The docs had a right old chinwag to each other while they were delivering him, ignored me and DH.

Was left to it on the ward, missed meals because I couldn't walk to dining room. The bathroom was dirty, DH cleaned it for me before I used it.

I discharged myself the next day. DS2 is gorgeous, that's all that matters. smile

gemmac1 Wed 18-Nov-09 12:47:21

If I ever have another I would consider going home as soon as I had given birth!!!

Bellared Wed 18-Nov-09 21:55:04

Yeah, I could not fault most of the staff especially the ones in the delivery suite, they were great and so were all the students. It was back on the ward that I was traumatized upset about. They spoke to the Dad's like they were evil and kicked out at almost every opportunity. I went in on Tuesday to be induced and left pretty much to it in pain without relief for 2 days. It was only after DH shouted at the Midwife to give me pain relief that I got any. They kept on saying for about 10-12 hours that they were going to break my waters (this was after another Pessary or 2, I cant remember how many more) and never did. I was basically left to it in pain until the Friday night when my waters eventually broke themselves. Because of all that I felt totally upset and not how I expected childbirth to be. I also really wanted to breastfeed DS when he was born but he came out sideways and swallowed a load of mucous so was not interested in feeding for about 24hrs and even then it was only a few mls here and there. One of the midwives shouted at me for not making him feed and boomed that she didn't want anymore in SCBU.

Next time it's a home birth!!

Sounds like we've been left with our expectations shattered of what should have been a fantastic experience.

Did your DH/DP's get treated the same?

alkar Thu 19-Nov-09 07:50:08

I can't believe that everyones experience has been the same. I had an emergency cs and when I was in pain and couldn't move afterwards I was told it will hurt just get on with it angry

And yes DH was treated the same. I got a private room cos I work in the hospital but not sure if that was a blessing or not. We were just left to it.

Been on rainbow with DS a few times too and that hasn't been much better either

Bellared Thu 19-Nov-09 20:23:49

I've been on Rainbow once. DS has really horrid Colic once we got home and as he is our 1st I thought it was something more. When we got on the ward we signed in at reception and then got forgot about until about 2 hours later I asked what was going on as other people had been seen first.

Then there was the school bell at the end of visits.......

waitingformybaby Sat 26-Dec-09 15:03:34

I am booked in at RAEI, wish me luck!

alkar Sat 02-Jan-10 08:40:18

When are you due?

Bellared Sat 02-Jan-10 14:53:10

Good luck to you wfmb!

Willow15 Tue 12-Jan-10 14:32:21

I work for Wigan Borough Local Involvement Network (LINk) and have just been reading through the thread. There is a LINk in every local authority area across England who are independent of any other body and are made up of individuals and community groups working together to inmprove local health and social care servies. The job of the LINk is to find out what people like and dislike about these services and work with the people who run and plan them to make them better.

The role of the LINk is to influence the way YOUR local services are run and you comments are all obviously true life experiences which the hospital need to be made aware of. If any of you are interested in sharing your information confidentially I would be happy to set up a small meeting/coffee morning(or afternoon)(travel expenses paid) to discuss your concerns - yoru babies would be very welcome. If you prefer to speak to me please ring Karen on 01942 705839 or e-mail k.wilson@carersfederation.co.uk

alkar Tue 12-Jan-10 19:03:40

I'm happy to share my experience Karen

cupcake22 Wed 13-Jan-10 14:26:54

I gave birth to my last 2 children at Wigan and i have only praise for all the staff on maternity ward. Even though it is a very busy ward, i was never refused pain relief and was given lots of support with breastfeeding. My partner was allowed to stay ALL day, just leaving at meal rimes.
What more can you ask for? Well done Wigan.

gemmac1 Thu 14-Jan-10 13:23:24

Cupcake22, are you sure it was Wigan you gave birth at? When I asked for help breastfeeding I was told just to give my baby a bottle!!!! One was also given to her by the nurses without my permission whilst I slept.

Willow15 Thu 14-Jan-10 14:35:51

HI Alkar, thanks for your interest. Would you like to come over to my office in Wigan Investment Centre or would you prefer me to meet you at home or somewhere neutral. Also, if you know of anyone who would like to join us for a discussion just let me know. It would help if you could e-mail me on k.wilson@carersfederation.co.uk

cupcake22 Fri 15-Jan-10 01:32:39

gemmac1 - yes i am sure. Are you sure it was Wigan?
There is no `perfect` people and i`m sure you aren`t perfect as i am not. Did you raise your concerns at the time? My exerience was excellent.
As for breastfeeding - I had fantastic help and support and other ladies in the room with me also had great care and help.
These days i think people want blood but credit where credit is due and i would be happy to share my views as well.

gemmac1 Tue 19-Jan-10 09:10:11

Cupcake22, I was the only person on the bay that was breastfeeding so nobody else was able to help. I was in no way saying anbody is perfect but I didnt agree with my dd being given a bottle without my permission. I did speak to the staff at the time but was told that they didnt have time to sit with people and show them how to do things and that I should speak to my community midwifes when i got home. If It hadnt been for the help of my excellent community midwifes I would have given up on breastfeeding altogether.

I have no critisicm of the delviery side at Wigan as my experience of this was excellent, but I felt like the post delivery ward staff were more concerned with sitting having a brew and a chat in the office than speaking to people and helping them.

gemmac1 Tue 19-Jan-10 09:11:43

It may have been an issue that has now since been resolved as I did mention it to my community midwife and she told me that nearly everbody she had been to see that week had similar issues and she was going in to see the staff at Wigan regarding this.

Loubylou7 Thu 21-Jan-10 17:22:25

I am really shocked at all the negative comments about the staff at RAEI. My sister and I have both given birth there twice each and I couldn't praise them enough.

My DH was with me all the time, apart from meal times. Which I didn't understand when someone said dining room? There wasn't a dining room there we all ate at our beds?

The breastfeeding advice was so helpful and I came away feeling so confident that I kept it up for two years.

I did find there were lots of women and only a few midwives, but if I was going to have another baby, I wouldn't go anywhere else. I hope they all loved the chocolates we left them

cupcake22 Fri 22-Jan-10 10:42:54

Wow! That sounds very unprofessional of that community midwife. How many visits at home did you have by the community midwife? I only had 3 and to be honest i rang the ward for help with breastfeeding as i couldn`t speak to a community midwife.

On the delivery ward i think it is much easier to find time to talk to your midwife as that midwife only has one woman to look after. The ward was full when i was in and one midwife said she had 9 women to look after and they all had a baby with them. So really 18 people to look after and she still made time to help me.

Loubylou7 - i am glad you also had a good experience.

baby2010boo Mon 01-Feb-10 23:32:16

Hi everyone I too recently gave birth at RAEI (well quiet a few months ago now) and like you have all said the delivery midwife was lovely and can understand what you are saying about the staff on the maternity ward. But now I have time to think about what had happened, the delivery midwife was with me all the time (she was really good) but she was only looking after me, I had to stay in for a few days as my baby had bloods taken (on the maternity ward) and the midwives didnt have one woman to look after, one afternoon I asked a midwife how many women she was caring for and she told me 15, but that was 15 baby's too!!!! could you imagine having to get around 15 women and their babys and give them as good care as we all semmed to have had on the delivery suite. I think the problem is that there is not enough staff on the maternity side/bit and more are needed to helpwith the work load the midwives on the maternity ward seem to have. My midwife on the maternity ward was fab so so lovely but she never stopped, she was in and out of the bay and i feel sorry for her, I didnt want to ask her for anything as I could see how busy she was, but when I did need help with my breastfeeding one night the midwife sat with me and talked me through my position, i had the same problem the next mornign and another midwife went through the same stuff with me again. I am sure it would be much easier for the midwife to be on the delivery side looking after just me and not all the other women too. I say this all now as I have had time to look back on what was going on, it wasnt as if the midwives on the maternity ward were ever just sat around. And there was only one midwife there who was ever a bit "off" with people and seemed to shout a lot.

And personally I think visiting should be changes so that partners can stay in to help their wives/partners but other visitors should not be able to visit as much as I was so tired and i did not want to breastfeed my baby whilst my husbands family were there, now I am at home still breastfeeding and when someone comes to visit I can go up to the bedroom to feed, I could not have done that in the hospital.

baby2010boo Mon 01-Feb-10 23:35:43

I was also induced Gemma and I was never refused pain killers, i had tablets at first and then i had an injection and there was another woman being induced at the same time as me and she had the same, I had had my baby and unfortunatly for her she was still having to have more tablets and she also had to wait to have her waters broken but she had to wait because the labour ward was busy and if you think about it how bad would it be to do something like that when it is too busy I really agree with you cupcake

baby2010boo Mon 01-Feb-10 23:39:41

I am glad there are some positive experiences being posted now, as we are planning are next babay and was getting a bit worried then, but honestly I would not go anywhere else as i do not think you could get any better care. I too only has 3 visits from the community midwife and she was only there for about 10 minutes, so I could not have had any breastfeeding support from her in that time, she only had time to check us both over

mattymoo Wed 03-Mar-10 00:20:36

Hi all, I am from Ashton and I have my son at RAEI back in Dec 07. Had C section and those staff were brilliant but back on the ward it was traumatic and upsetting. Nurses were really rude and unhelpful. I vomitted at one point when my hubby came to see my at afternoon visit and when he came back for the evening session I was still sat in the vomit. My hubby said to the nurse "why is my wife still not been cleaned up?" and he was told "dont speak to me in that tone, we dont tolerate ABUSE and you will be removed"!!!! I was going to make an official complaint but never got round to it but we have vowed we will never go back there again. Also, at one point i was getting dressed for the first time and a scottish lady came shouting through the ward saying "what are all these curtains pulled round for?" and left me very embarrased and upset. That is a truly honest story of my experience in Wigan's maternity ward and will never go back there.
Hope this makes other mums who had similar experience know that it wasnt just you being "over emotional"! lol

gemmac1 Fri 12-Mar-10 12:19:17

Mattymoo I am sooo glad you felt the same as me about RAEI. I thought after reading the more recent posts that it was just me that had experienced rude, unhelpful and uncaring staff.

mattymoo Mon 22-Mar-10 20:14:32

Hi gemmac1, it wasnt just you AT ALL!
am happy for the people who say they had a good experience and am jealous of the mum whos husband was allowed to stay through meal times as I would have loved that, i was told absolutely no one was allowed to stay through meals, even my husband so i dont understand why one rule for one person etc.......but you not alone! lol
On the day we were leaving i walked out to the main desk to say goodbye and was walking around soothing the baby whilst my hubby got my bag and the nurse shouted at me in front of everyone "you are not allowed to walk around with the baby as you might fall over!"
everyone stopped to look at me!
Why do they do the job if they dont like people? lol

MJValentine Tue 20-Apr-10 17:15:30

Hi I had my little girl in RAEI in Feb 2007 and my experience was terrible. The delivery was traumatic in itself but the midwives on the ward just added to the trauma. At one time (after nursing for about 4 hours but that's another story) I jumped in the shower after my baby had fallen asleep. Within a few minutes the midwives were banging on the door as she'd woken up. They shouted through the door (in front of all the other mums on the ward)'how dare you have a shower whilst she's crying, get out now'. I actually heard one of them say I was a wicked mother. I got ready as quickly as I could and explained that she'd been asleep when I got in the shower but the midwife literally grabbed me and shoved me to my bed and told me to sort her out! Also I had no help with breastfeeding hence the 4 hour 'feeds'!
I did put in a complaint and met with the PALS officer, one of the consultants and the head midwife. Whilst they were sympathetic there was no real apology, I think because I'd gone to the meeting by myself so there was nobody to back me up. They did arrange counselling though as I was traumatised by the whole experience and the counsellor was great.
I'm glad though that some people have good experiences as the facilities are good.

mookle Wed 21-Apr-10 15:49:01

Oh Crap. I'm due a ELCS at RAEI end june - thought Billinge was bad (had DS1 there) but it seems all the same problems from billinge upped and moved to RAEI - I was hoping a change of venue might have imrpoved things - obviously not - although itdoes appear that it depends on what shifts(therefore what midwvies) you end up in hospital on - Heres hoping I get a nice midwife shift day/days LOL!

Oh well forewarned is forearmed!!

Bellared Tue 27-Apr-10 20:14:08

Hi MJV, I got shouted at by one midwife as DS would not take the breast or bottle 'I'm not having another one in Special Care so you better get some sown him'.

Hi Mookle, the MW in the delivery suite were lovely.

I hope your experience is one of the good ones!

mookle Wed 28-Apr-10 09:26:09

Hi Bellared - Me too! But at least this time it wont be such a shock to be treated like an inconvenience! I remember at Billinge after I had DS, the midwife shouting at me for sitting with tears streaming down my face and basically telling me not to be so soft because I had been given no painkillers since the previous day (after a traumatic birth with forceps delivery and episiotomy and a 9lb70z first baby)despite asking every nurse that had passed me since 7am that morning (this was around 11am - so overnight in pain and 4 hours in the morning in extreme pain)!! Nice!

Well this time I'm taking my own painkillers with me!

Bellared Wed 28-Apr-10 21:09:25

He he, contraband painkillers grin I'm having a home birth next time.

Did you go to Leigh Infirmary for ante natal checks? They were lovely MW's.

I've only ever seen Billinge on the program that was shown on Home and Health but that was filmed yonks ago.

mookle Thu 29-Apr-10 07:34:42

LOL! I was having DS when that was filmed (8 yrs ago - although it looks longer ago on the programme I have to admit!!)grin its taken me 8 years to get over all the issues from DS's birth and have another DC (both physical and mental). Hence the C section

This time they can all sod off! Although I'm hoping I can keep that attitude when I'm in pain and vulnerable sad So yes definitely lots of contraband and they can try and take it off me! grin

Good luck with your home birth I am sure that will be a much better experience.

Bellared Fri 30-Apr-10 20:13:14

Thanks, I hope yours goes alot better this time round. At least you know what to expect.

It does look longer, I think it was the wallpaper and tracksuits on some of the people.

mookle Fri 30-Apr-10 20:49:32

grin yes some interesting outfits and wallpaper I know exactly what you mean! I actually toyed with the idea of being filmed as I was asked when I was about 30 weeks pregnant if I wanted to be but in the end said no. Am quite glad now!

cath476 Tue 08-Jun-10 23:01:33

I had ds1 at Billinge and ds2 at RAEI. Ds1 was induced and I had a long, traumatic labour, although once on the delivery suite counln't fault the midwives. I was very poorly afterwards and needed a blood transfusion. My extremely low blood count was picked up for 2 days and the midwives actually looked frightened when they realised how low my count was (below 5). Despite this, I felt the care my ds and I received was considerate, kind and helpful in the main. I was given help with breastfeeding and shown how to bath him etc.
Fast-forward 3 years and elective c-section with ds2 at RAEI. No issues with theatre staff but the ward was TERRIBLE. They were full to capacity, I was left (post c-section) to my own devices, made to feel an inconvenience when I needed help initially lifting ds1 during the first night in order to breast feed. I was TOLD by one midwife that she was going to give my boy a bottle because "I wasn't producing any milk" (this was despite my pointing out that at this stage only colostrum is produced and could be clearly seen around his mouth) I just as firmly told HER that under no circumstances was she to give my child anything resembling a bottle and that at 12 hours old he was perfectly normal to be wanting to be fed so regularly. On the day we were leaving, my dh and I bathed the baby and a first time mum on the same ward came over and asked if she could watch as she was also being discharged and had not been shown. The 'nursery' where they take babies to give mums a rest was a small store cupboard used for pillows, cotton wool, nappies etc.
For a new unit (this was 2005) I thought it was badly planned out, too cramped and the nursing levels were woefully inadequate. I would also question the bedside manner of more than one midwife working there.
Wish me luck - dc3 is due later in the year!!! I am ready for RAEI though - just let them try and cross me!!! lol - in fact, scratch that - wish THEM luck - I won't tolerate sub-standard care as easily this time around!!

mookle Thu 10-Jun-10 15:48:17

cath476 - Im also due to have an ELCS at RAEI on 1st July so its useful to hear your expereince! Breastfeeding is sonething that i was never encouraged with or shown how to do properly with DS and it seems little has chan ged since the move from billinge to wigan!

cath476 Mon 14-Jun-10 16:22:50

mookle - good luck with your ELCS, as I said, the theatre staff were lovely ad I had no problems at all with them. I would just be quite firm about what you expect with the midwives. if you want to try breastfeeding then insist on the help and don't tske no for an answer.

mookle Sun 27-Jun-10 10:45:35

Thanks cath476 Seen the anaethsetist for pre-op and all systems go for section on thursday 1st july! Going to get DH to be around to help as much as possible and stick firm to my wishes to BF. Wish me luck!

mookle Mon 05-Jul-10 09:43:37

just wanted to post back in case anyone looking for info re raei wigan - what a different experience from billinge! the midwives were in the main absolutely fantastic, so kind, helpful and funny and the breastfeeding support was second to none. must have buzzed for help a million times as dd was a very impatient baby and screamed blue murder if milk not available immediately - not once did i ever get the impression they were anything other than really glad to help and i felt they took lots of time to explain things to me and also to emotionally support me when things were difficult, really validating my decision to bf. i also listened to them talk to those who were bottle feedinf - whih was about 70% - and they provided the same support and care. thank you wigan midwives and auxillaries you really made a difference to my second birth experience

cath476 Tue 06-Jul-10 18:48:02

mookle - congrats on your dd - I am so glad you had a positive experience, it makes me feel a little better for when I'm there in December! Congratulations again!!!!

mookle Tue 06-Jul-10 19:54:30

cath476 - it really was a lot better than i expected - there were one or two midwives who were of the billinge mentality but on the whole they were brilliant and massively supportive of breast feeding - i got so much help and i was spoken to as if i was doing this wonderful thing.

lots of luck for december! x

Lillabet Wed 16-Mar-11 22:03:11

I had DS in July 09 and I couldn't fault the care I received. I was induced and DH was allowed to stay well after visiting hours were over in case they decided to admit me. The delivery ward care was excellent and post natal care was also excellent. I was helped with breast feeding a lot and showed how to bath DS without asking. The midwives were fabulous, a couple of them were a bit strident, but on the whole I can't fault them (even when I managed to flood the bathroom on the bay!). I was given all the information I needed to give feedback. When I do get around to having DC2 I will be quite happy to go back to RAEI.

Phew, Lillabet, have been watching this thread as I'm due in September. Been to RAEI last year for a blood test as I had MC and it seemed OK, staff were friendly etc. Going to see the labour ward at about 30 weeks I think. Glad to hear your experience was a good one smile

Bellared Sat 09-Apr-11 16:02:40

I know I said next time it'd be a home birth but I'll be going back to Wigan in Sept/Oct. I've thought about what's been said on this thread alot and I've spoken to friends who've given birth at other hospitals and they're all pretty much the same. I'm counting myself lucky this time too as it's not going to be closed downso I'll have to go miles away, have an influx of mothers coming from out of the area to give birth as their local units have closed down etc etc. I'm older and know what to expect this time round and will try and ensure I don't have an induction, how I don't know yet

Hopefully my experience of birth this time round will be different.

JenGas Wed 11-May-11 16:47:41

I had a quick delivery and the midwife who delivered my daughter was lovely. However I was told I would be on a ward for visiting time so I told all my family to come which they then got shouted at as I had not left the delivery suite. I finally left the delivery suite 7hrs after, which I find amazing as I gave birth in the assessment room.

The midwife and support workers on the ward were horrible and left me too it. I was in a side room and trying to breast Feed and waited 1hr for a glass of water. I ended up giving up beast feeding as they didn't show mr properly and ended up with brusies on my boobs and the pain was worse than child birth. I also didn't like the pressure they put on you to breast feed and when I have another child I will be making sure they do not push me around and make me feel guilty.

It also took me 8hrs to be discharged which I thought was terrible as I just wanted to go home. The support worker spoke to my husband like he was nothing too!

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